Monday, 23 February 2009

  • I am pro-abortion


    Most people will call themselves pro-choice or pro-life. I don't think those terms are quite accurate. "Pro-choicers" would say that prohibiting a woman from owning her own body is anti-life. "Pro-lifers" would say that the "choice" was the one to have sex. Regardless, both groups generally conceed that abortion is a bad thing.

    Well, kind of. You see, I am techincally pro-contraception (but what kind of catchy title is that?) I believe that everyone should be educated about contraception, and I would personally like to ensure that more forms of contraception are more widely available to everyone. I am pro-sex education. But even in an ideal world, some people would choose not to use contraception. Some forms of contraception would fail. And in those cases, there is risk of unwanted pregnancy.

    When there IS an unwanted pregnancy, I personally would support abortion as the most viable choice (at least in the first trimester). Early-term abortions are much less risky than carrying through with the pregnancy. Adoption only really works if the baby is healthy and white (and how often does THAT happen? Non-whites and women who smoke/drink are much more likely to have abortions). I'll even pay for it. Problem solved.

     

    (If you have questions about contraception, Plan B, or abortion, message me, Snippiesblog, or Suggestivetongue.)

Comments (42)

  • Frankly I've seen enough healthy white people for one lifetime.

    TIME TO START GETTIN' 'EM BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN OUT OF THE WOMB

  • Thank you for pointing out the the problems with adoption, I keep saying it but it seems no pro-lifers want to listen.

  • At least your honest.  I can't agree with you at all, and frankly the ideas that adoption doesn't work are myths.  However, at least you're honest about saying "Pro-abortion" rather than "Pro-choice." 


    www.abort73.com for the facts.

  • I approve of this so hard.

  • @Papillon_Mom - Nope, those aren't facts, just thinly veiled pseudo-scientific and pseudo-medical claims that are only backed up by a church, and not science.

  • Well first trimester abortions are VERY risky to the person who's life your taking but since they currently reside your body, their voice is unheard.  The difference between 'pro-lifers' and 'pro-choicers' is that we don't see someones existences as more legitimate one day to the next.  Your just as alive today as you were last month, and so is the baby in your womb.  An unwanted pregnancy is an unwanted life.  To some of us, all life is sacred.  And even if you don't want it, someone else would.
    It sucks that there are not more options.

  • @SuperEvilPopTart64 - I'm not going to argue with you over what facts are.  Those ARE the facts whether you like it or not, and no matter how uncomfortable that might make you.  That's truth.  The lies are what's spread by Planned Parenthood and other organizations. 


    But live in your fantasy world.  That's fine.

  • I don't think "Pro-choice" is dishonest.


    I am not pro-abortion. I'm not anti-abortion either. It's not an ideal situation, but sometimes it has to happen. Going through an abortion can be just as hard, if not harder, than carrying the baby to term. The only person who gets to decide what to do is the woman going through it. It is her choice that I am an advocate for. Not the choice of an abortion, and not the choice to keep it. Just the choice itself.


    I am pro-choice. The woman's choice to have sex, yes. Also the woman's choice to deal with the consequences in a manner that is appropriate for her situation and her body.


    My roommate is pregnant. She called me and told me she was going to have an abortion. I did not judge her. I did not feel happy or sad about it. I supported her. I knew she was doing what she needed to do, financially, physically. When she called me a week later and told me she couldn't go through with it, I was not happy or sad. I did not respect her more or less. Both situations take their toll and have their ups and downs. Again, I knew she was doing what she needed to do, emotionally, morally (she is religious), and responsibly (in her opinion).


    She has not decided whether she will keep the baby or put it up for adoption. Whichever she CHOOSES, I will stand by her 100%. Because she is weighing her options carefully and making an informed choice. I am pro-her-choice. Pro-my choice. Pro-choice.

  • I'm sorry for leaving a mini-blog on your site. :) I enjoyed your entry, it made me think a lot. How have you been?

  • I think a very large problem with being "pro-life" is that often the mother will engage in risky behavior to induce abortion without it being actual abortion, thereby exploiting a loophole in the Pope's/Pat Robinson's/Joseph Smith's logic. I had a friend of a friend who was a devout Catholic, so she couldn't use condoms, the pill, or get abortions. So every time she got pregnant she went on a bender with booze, weed and crack. Four pregnancies, and three "completely natural and thus morally OK miscarriages." Unfortunately, the fourth child was born with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. All of this could have been avoided if people thought for themselves and realized that condoms are not a sin, and if you're going to end the pregnancy, you can do it safely under a doctor's supervision.

    I've always wondered how strong of a stance I can take on abortion, being a man. Frankly, I don't know if I could cope if my girlfriend had to get one. But then again, I'm almost paranoid about protection, so I'm not too worried. That being said, I don't know how much I can put forward my pro-choice views without having a womb. It's one of those things I'll never fully understand, so I often defer to the view of intelligent women.

  • I think I mentioned this on Suggestivetongue's blog, but I'm a firm believer that ignorance is a far greater threat to society that a debate over adoption or abortion. Like you said, people need to be educated about contraception. If precautions were taken, the abortion debate could become a moot point. Because for the most part, only the people who wanted children would have them. Now that's not to say that there won't still be instances of unplanned/unwanted pregnancy. But I do think proper education could significantly reduce the current number.

  • @Papillon_Mom - Not everyone who identifies as "pro-choice" is in fact pro-abortion. But I am.


    I've been to the website before. Not everything there is true or even factual, so be careful offering it to others as proof of the horrors of abortion.

  • @la_faerie_joyeuse - I hate to disagree with you, but it is.  If there's ONE area in life i know a LOT about, it's this.  And though the media and Planned Parenthood have fed you lies for years, don't believe them.


    What is said on that website is pure, unadulterated truth.

  • @Queenelizzy - It is not a matter of being alive, but a matter of deserving human rights. Personally, I believe that humans are distinguished from animals by our rational minds, and that is what defines a human. Without even having a nervous system at all, I certainly would not agree that an organism would have rights equal to a living, functioning human being. But, even IF you grant equal rights to a zygote as to the "mother", I think that the mother STILL has the right to stop giving her resources to that other "human" individual. If you were starving and I ate my sandwhich instead of giving it to you, you may call me cruel, but you certainly wouldn't call me a murderer, would you?


    Some other people define humanity by the "soul" (which is a religious argument, one which I can't possibly argue against), or by a unique genome. There are plenty of arguments against the latter case; let me know if you want to hear them.


    "And even if you don't want it, someone else would."
    I'm not that convinced that anyone wants to raise a child who was born with FAS or with a physical dependence on cocaine. If "someone else" wants that child, why are there so many children who are never adopted? Why was I abused for years without being cared for properly by someone who wanted me? The bottom line is that no one wanted me, just like no one wants many of the children who will never be born.

  • @beachblondie711 - Good for you. No need to worry about writing a lot - I enjoyed reading it. Your roommate is really lucky.


    But I'm doing pretty well. Kind of exhausted. LOL.

  • @GodlessLiberal - I think you are just as qualified to have an opinion about abortion as any woman. After all, you do have a brain!

  • @Papillon_Mom - Many of the things on the website address spiritual well-being. Those things are not factual. By that, I mean that they lie outside the realm of being "true" or "false," since empiricism and science can make no judgments on their validity. This isn't a bad thing, but spiritualism is not medical or scientific fact, and should not be paraded as such.


    Aside from that, there are many omissions of pro-choice arguments. I haven't, for instance, seen my favorite argument for abortion on the website (I could have missed it.) And that argument is that humans with a brain are legitimately different from organisms with human DNA who do not have a brain. Furthermore, the particular language they use is designed to incite emotional feelings, which again is not bad in itself, but it does discount the site as purely a factual source without bias.

  • @la_faerie_joyeuse - Point taken, but frankly no one ever goes purely on scientific fact.  If they did, abortions would have been outlawed EONS ago, since biologically speaking that child is a life and has been proven as such.


    But i never called it without bias.  I only said that it had all the facts.  And it does.  It's the most comprehensive prolife site on the web. 


    Oh, and for that argument, I would suggest reading the SLED argument.  (Google it.)  It very well disproves any argument that any humans outside of the womb and "with a brain" are legitimately different.  That's a red herring argument, frankly.

  • @Papillon_Mom - Okay, I think we've thus reached the best mutual agreement that we will be able to regarding the website.


    The SLED argument does not apply to my argument, because self-awareness/consciousness are not measured on a continuous scale. Either you have it or you don't. Sometimes, there are various levels of this (for instance, toddlers tend to have an ego-centric view, while older children can recognize that everyone else thinks, too.) But there is a big difference between having some and having none at all. Similarly, I believe that people who are mentally retarded to the point where they can no longer use language or have self-awareness, are not worth as much as people who are fully functional. The SLED argument only holds if you believe that (human) vegetables are worth just as much as, say, you. I don't believe that.

  • just stop having sex.

  • @la_faerie_joyeuse - Then in that case, you are right.  We have reached an impass here.  God bless!!  Talk to you soon. 

  • @Papillon_Mom - I'm glad we can talk about this without mudslinging. Thank you. <3

  • @abcxunt - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    ...oh wait...


    You're serious?

    Um, yeah, that's not gonna work for me...

  • Excellent!  My view on abortion is precisely the same as yours.

  • @la_faerie_joyeuse - or ..mess around with the opposite sex :)

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